Also: I grant unlimited permission to reprint all or parts of this posting to any person or organization. Please credit to Kathleen Yockey, Mother of Michaela Thomas. My contact information is katylynnsays@gmail.com.
After Michaela's accident, Facebook became our communication tool of choice. It just made sense. It was a way to communicate almost instantly with all of her friends and much of our family. We set up a separate page to pass information and request prayers (Prayers for Michaela Thomas) and later to share information about a scholarship set up in her name (Michaela Thomas Heart of the RA Award) to include those people who were not her friends on Facebook. She was particular about her friend list on Facebook. She thought it was ridiculous to have a 1000 friends, so frequently she would 'unfriend' people who she didn't have a current personal relationship with. By doing that, she made it very clear who should have access to her site and who should not. She had about 200 Facebook friends. She also had 1000s of pictures, pages of notes, and quite a few videos that she had deliberately posted on Facebook to share with those friends.
After she died, some of her friends became worried about what would happen to her Facebook page. Facebook claims that they will not delete an account for inactivity, but that didn't make us comfortable. What if they changed their mind? Would they announce that change? How would they announce it? In a message to the account holder (that nobody would ever see)? It was very important to me and to her young friends that her Facebook be preserved, intact. So we did some research and found this information (or very similar, I believe it has been reworded slightly to include 'status updates'), regarding "Memorializing" a Facebook page.
When a user passes away, we memorialize their account to protect their privacy. Memorializing an account removes certain sensitive information (e.g., status updates and contact information) and sets privacy so that only confirmed friends can see the profile or locate it in search. The Wall remains so that friends and family can leave posts in remembrance. Memorializing an account also prevents all login access to it.
Based on the wording of this statement, we decided the best, safest, thing to do would be to memorialize the page. Based on the wording of this statement, we believed that the only thing that would change on her page was removing her 'personal identifying information' or what might be considered sensitive information like addresses, phone numbers, personal email accounts, etc. What we didn't think would happen was that her page would be stripped down to the basics and ALL of HER words would be removed! These are words she CHOSE to share publically with the 200 people on her friends list. SHE CHOSE. This isn't something I wanted made public on her behalf, it is what she had ALREADY made PUBLIC. How is privacy an issue here?
What do I mean by ALL of her words, exactly? Let me tell you what Facebook removed in detail so you don't make this same mistake:
1. They removed her family connections, so she no longer shows up on my page as my daughter with a link.
2. They removed the Info tab that listed her likes and dislikes, music, movies, books, etc. (things she CHOSE to share about herself. Things her friends might like to remember about her.
3. They removed her final status which was: "Poor MJ, now that he is no longer living, he is just a legend", did they not think her family and friends would like to look back at the reference to Michael Jackson and smile a bit? Is there something private or sensitive about that?
4. They removed ALL of her previous status updates. So her friends and family can no longer look back at what she said on a particular day and use that to trigger a happy memory of a particular moment in time.
5. They removed her posts from EVERYONE ELSE's wall, including mine. Everything she posted on MY WALL for ME to read is gone. You can no longer see what used to be called "Wall to Wall" and is now called "View Friendship". The link is there, but it is a one sided conversation with all of her responses and posts to her friend (me in this case) DELETED.
6. They removed her Notes tab. All of the little poems she wrote, all of the comments on society that she thought about, all of the rants about college life that she wrote deliberately TO BE READ are gone. (Interestingly, although they disappeared from her page, if I dug deeply through my own notes, I could drill down to her notes, by clicking 'notes about me' (there was one she wrote about me), and then clicking 'more notes by Michaela Thomas'. That lasted a few months before FB discovered that hole and plugged it. But it certainly showed me that her information was still out there (and this information will become important later).)
7. They removed her Videos. Every single one of them. Gone. Her voice, her laugh, her silly faces. Gone. Videos again, that she made and took the time to upload, because she wanted to SHARE them.
8. They removed her friends ability to tag her in a Video or a Note. So even if I had a copy of the video that FB so viciously deleted (deleted?), there was no way for me to tag her and make it visible to her many friends who would love the opportunity to hear her voice again.
9. They removed all of her other tabs (except photos). Things like her music, bumperstickers, and such. Just things she collected and liked and CHOSE to SHARE.
What did they leave? Her wall, but with everything important stripped from it. As much as I like her friends, it isn't them or their words I want to read. (We made a separate page just for that purpose!) It is the words she wrote that I want to see. Her photos. Her profile picture. The comment under her profile picture "I am So Excited". And that is about it. The whole soul of her page has been ripped out.
This happened over a year ago. As soon as I saw what they had done, I contacted Facebook and requested they put it back. I was told no. That once a page is memorialized, there is no way to restore it. I begged, I ranted, I complained about the statement and how misleading it was (is). I calmly suggested that they at least reword the statement making it much clearer so that no other mother has to lose her child's words because she didn't understand the policy. Nothing has been done. And quite honestly, I didn't have the strength or energy during the darkness of my early grief to fight the situation.
So why am I bringing it up now? Well, something strange started happening. Suddenly, in the upper right hand corner of my "home" page, where the cute little reminders pop up showing you pictures and videos from the past, HER VIDEOS, those videos that FB removed from her page, the ones they couldn't restore to her account...those very same videos started appearing. Not only that, but I could watch them and share them and her friends could tag themselves in them!!! But they still weren't on her page. So wait, are they protecting her privacy or not? I thought those videos were so sensitive they couldn't be on her page any longer?
But now there is even something newer (and worse) going on. For the past 24 hours her page has been gone. Completely gone. I hear from other people that other "memorialized" pages are also gone. I am not panicked yet. I believe this is temporary. My guess is that FB discovered the error that was causing the videos and pictures of "memorialized" pages to be appearing as reminders and has shut down all the memorialized pages to install some kind of fix. I hope this is the case. But it sure would be nice of them to let us know what is going on, wouldn't it? After all, somebody had to request those pages be memorialized, so they must know who to notify, right? Why make a grieving parent or sibling suffer through not knowing what is happening to their loved ones page? Is it being raped further? Is it gone forever? I have no idea.
What I do know is that I want her pages back. All of them. Like they were on the day she died. And I want Facebook to post a responsible statement about exactly what happens to a Facebook page that is memorialized. I want to know who those words, pictures and videos belong to now.
Facebook has been lauded all over the national media for their compassionate handling of the accounts of dead persons. But who is writing these articles? Facebook? Has anybody else felt robbed after doing this to their child's page? Where is the other side of the story? I even was party to having a newpaper article published praising Facebook for being a valuable communication tool during our grieving (before I memorialized the page). But, I certainly was NOT treated with compassion when I contacted them about what they did to my daughter's page.
Yes, perhaps the person's identifying information (addresses, email, phone number) should be removed to protect the privacy of the surviving family. Perhaps the 'reminders' to get in contact with them or view their old videos shouldn't pop up on an unsuspecting mourners 'home' page. But for those of us who want to visit her page and see her words and hear her voice by our own CHOICE and HERS, why on earth would Facebook take that away?
Please share this information with anyone you know who is in my situation. Please pass this information on, so no one else gets hurt by Facebook's so called 'privacy' policy regarding memorialization. Don't let anyone else lose their child's (friend's, lover's, grandchild's, spouse's) precious words because of an inflexible and misunderstood policy.
Oh I feel so awful! How could they! BAD-BAD FaceBook! You have the power FB-get it back on. Otherwise there's nothing Memorialized!
ReplyDeleteOur sons page was missing also... I was devastated and felt the fresh loss. I appreciate this post and do not feel as alone and despondent. I was horrified at my own behavior this morning when I was told it was gone. My own Son James Hopfer just had his page restored and the others as well I hope. While his pictures did stay when someone memorialized the site, the videos went away like you mentioned. Amazingly enough I don't even know who memorialized his page, it was not his father or I!
ReplyDeleteWow Denise! I wonder who could have done that to the page. The assured me that only immediate family could do it, but then, I don't know how they could have assertained who I was! I am glad to see that Michaela's page, what is left of it, is restored now as well. But I will be forever sorry that I had it memorialized and thus erased her words.
ReplyDeleteYes, I had the exact same reaction to memorializing my sons page after his car accident! I was furious and felt like I had been kicked in the gut!
ReplyDeleteI am sorry this has happened. Luckily I knew my son's account information and made his stuff private but I left his wall, pics and videos alone. I wanted to leave it all alone so I never memorialized his page. I did create a group page for his friends and I post events on it, when we honor my son's life. I pray FB gets a ton of messages how they rip even more away from us when we are grieving the loss of our children.
ReplyDeleteI copy and paste and save images every day to one day be able to show my daughters pages to her daughters.
ReplyDeleteI then put the (dated) pages in my e-mail folder and am printing all the letters and messages we ever shared.
Thank-You for the vital info.
We lost our daughter Sept. 17 2010 and FB is a constant comfort to us all.
My teenage son didn't want his mom to be his "friend" on FB. So when he passed away I tried to get them to add me. I never managed to find the right person or jump through the right hoops for them. They gave me such a runaround that I gave up. I can't even see what's on there. My ex- has to send me updates when his friends post something on his wall.
ReplyDeleteI tried to open my son's page this morning and was unable to....he was still on my "Friends" list but his picture was gone...I tried for about an hour and other people could not see it as well...I was panicked....I did memorialize his page and now wish I hadn't but I can't change that....The good thing is that it did come back. I am going to take LisaandBruceBalistreri's advice and copy and paste everything and save as much as I can...when I thought it was gone this morning it was more than I could bear.....FB is a constant comfort to us as well since our son died September 7, 2009.
ReplyDeleteIf you have her computer you may be able to get it off the hard drive. The police do it all the time, so maybe if you find a really smart Geek, they could help you.
ReplyDeleteI am appauled at FB for making decisions for us without consulting us. Let us sign a waiver to take responsibility for leaving the pages up, something, but don't take what little we have left.
I am sooo sorry for all you have gone through! My NINA never had FB. So in some ironic way I guess I'm blessed. She had other "pages" but I don't know them. My niece and her friends showed my after she died. (12/9/84-1/1/04)We printed it out and I have kept it. Isn't this all so wrong? sadly, Lori Tullo
ReplyDeleteOh wow, Katy...that's awful! I was reading the post that TCF USA put up about this and I saw your name, and Michaela's. I had no idea that's what happened when FB "memorialized" a page. I'm so sorry :-( (((HUGS))) ~ Jocelyn from Space Coast TCF
ReplyDeleteMy son died in August and I haven't contacted Face Book yet to find out what happens to his page. His friends are still posting on it but since he himself isn't logging into it does that mean eventually FaceBook will take down his page? That would be another dagger to my heart.
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing this and I am SO sorry. I know exactly that empty sick feeling in your stomach when you saw it all gone. My son Stefan was 11 when he passed away - New Years Eve 2006. He did not have a FB but he did have a web site and someone bought the domain quickly - it expired right after he died and I was not keeping up with much then. We lost the name and the site. A sweet friend just passed last week. He was 13 and does have a FB. I will warn his mom so that the same thing doesn't happen to his site.
ReplyDeleteB'Lynn, Mommy to Stefan, Forever 11
This is terrible. My son did not have a facebook account, but I did create a memory page. It is as if you have been violated to the nth degree.
ReplyDeleteI will sign a petition if it comes about.
Judy Pantalino
I am so sorry Facebook did this. Thank you for sharing the info so others can be forewarned.
ReplyDeleteThey did that to my husband's page. I tried to link his to mine after he died and I ended up messing them up. When I contacted them, they memorialized my husbands and took my access away. I lived with the man for 20 years...you think I could still have the ability to go on his facebook.... I feel your pain. I'm so sorry. <3
ReplyDeleteSo sorry about your fb dillema. Keep yelling, even if it feels like you're tilting at windmills. The stuff from the wall is "out there somewhere" (Have you ever tried to delete a comment made on a wall afterwards? Cant be done fully.) Youtube did something similar to a video of my daughter Evelyn that a friend of hers posted after her car accident. Because the friend used a song as an intro, that wasnt in public domain, you tube stripped the sound from the video. I can no longer hear her smart-ass comment to her friend, or her lovely laugh at her friend who was taping her. Keep up the fight and hopefully others will join. Ev's FB page is still there, thank goodness. Huggs & support from us all in this CF family. JoAnne, aka Ev's mom.
ReplyDeleteI had my daughters password when she passed away..and we kept her page going until somebody hacked the account. In my attempt to do the right thing, I let facebook know that she was deceased. Well they memoralized the page and since I was not a friend, I could no longer see it. I felt like I lost her all over again. I tried contacting everyone at FB but they didnt care.
ReplyDeleteThe same happened to my daughter's page...first off i don't know who had it memorialized, but I don't appreciate the fact that someone outside of our family even felt they had the right to do this!! Secondly, her so-called memorialized page has been gone since late last night her friends have been sending me messages about this all day. Something must be done to stop this...haven't we been through enough already?
ReplyDeleteSorry for you that this happened.
ReplyDeleteI wish this blog was published a week ago. I lost my sister-in-law on 10/16, and we (the family) wanted to make sure her FB would not be deactivated. We didn't know her login info, so we contacted FB and asked for temporary access. They reponded that they had memorialized her account to protect her privacy. Now, friends are having trouble just viewing her page. We just wanted to add / delete some photos.
ReplyDeleteOh I just dont know what to say Is there anything said make it better,or make it come back. The only thing I can think of is Iam so sorry for what they have done to you. My son 5 1/2 years ago and he did not have facebook, If that had happened to me I think I would just die. you a your child dies than to have all there stuff just taken away is just wrong. If anyone who would like to chat and share there stories I would love to hear about your kids you can looke up on fb by may name Julie Peterson or you can send me an email at xjuliex100@yahoo.comI telling that yes I will listen to any and all. Again I am sorry for what they did to you. Julie Peterson
ReplyDeleteTAKE THIS TO THE MEDIA!!! I have a 20 year old daughter and I am horrified that this could happen...to the point I may copy and paste her Facebook to a a word document just in case. This is just disgraceful. Contact not only the local media, but CNN and Fox news. Hey these people have kids too. I imagine they would feel the same!!!
ReplyDeleteYou would THINK that they MIGHT have some COMPASSION for the loved ones. :(
ReplyDeleteI Like Laurie's idea of taking it to the media. Maybe if they get enough bad PR they MIGHT grow a heart.
I am baffled by all of this! First,please let me say that I don't know any of you personally but have come across this discusion (one noone should have to have)from an old dear friend that lost her beautiful daughter in a tragic accident in December 2008. FB has been a source of comfort to her in so many ways it would be unbearable if this happened to her. I personally have 2 sons in their 20s and know how I would feel if I couldn't look back at what was important to them or connect with their friends (many of them are on my own FB)This REALLY needs to be brought to the attention of whoever can fix it.....ahem Mark Zucker..CEO and gazillionairre START LISTENING TO YOUR PEOPLE! Start screaming ladies, your beloved sons,daughters,spouses.etc made this social network what it is and that young man very,very wealthy! If it can be used (and abused) as so many of us are painfully aware of with such cavalier attitudes to cause harm (the bullying,etc),then SURELLY FB can be concerned about the good as well. I'm with Laurie ......START A CONVERSATION ABOUT FB NOT WITH FB!!!!!!!! Believe me the convesation WITH FB won't be long in coming after that!! In this day and age with all of this technology there should be no way this should happen. My heart goes out to ALL of you...I simply can't imagine being in any of your positions and support your efforts 100% in any petitions,posts,blogs etc that will clear this awful matter up. I know for myself (even when he yells at me that "old people" shouldn't be on FB...lol) it would be a link,connection and a source of comfort for me. Stay Strong!!!
ReplyDeleteI am so very sorry for the pain this is causing you and all the others who have lost connection with their departed loved ones. I lost my son 5 1/2 years ago to an auto accident. I would give my right arm to have a FB page of his. I truly know how you feel.
ReplyDeletePlease don't stop fighting. I also agree with taking this issue to the media. The squeaky wheel gets the attention.
My heart goes out to you. Big Hugs, Karen Tuzik
it makes you wonder if since the ads that pay for facebook cannot sell anything to a person that is deceased, that they don't want their info to take up the space. The term they should use is not "memorialize" it is more like "sanitize". Even losing a single picture would be devistating - losing video must be a painful crushing of your heart. I will let everyone I know have the warning you have sent us.
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ReplyDeleteThe same thing happened with my son's FB page. He passed away almost five months ago. I was not on his friends list. It two months to gain access. Once memorialized, all his words were lost. Those are precious words. I understand the need to memorialize and not have anyone hacking into an account. But do so with the deceased words as part of the overall legacy
ReplyDeleteDearest Katy,Restassured that we who love Michaela will not ever forget her EVER!!She is with us always warm in our love.Even if FB is a company Lacking in emotion, Her memory is safe in our hearts. Tho I do hope FB has learned from this and that your Heartfelt mission is a success. Love Mom ()
ReplyDeleteHow perfectly dreadful! I will share this on behalf of others who may be in similiar circumstances .. it will be helpful to them so that they never lose their loved ones words, picts, memories...
ReplyDeleteAn issue of privacy should not be the issue here. Individuals create their own Facebook pages. Individuals post their pictures, their words, their videos, their notes, the individual makes comments on their "Friends" page. I hope Facebook see the value in keeping ALL Facebook memories alive because those memories were made by the individual before they passed.
ReplyDeleteOne of the things that I feel helps everyone the most is to hear the thoughts and opinions of the person who has passed away. Seeing that michaela's words vanished made me literally cry. Everything she wrote was gone, to me, and to everyone else. I don't really think privacy was an issue with her notes and other writing because they were open for all of her friends too see. Her friends, that he chose to have and keep as friends. It's nice to have some place to comment, but it would be even nicer to hear from her in things she had written for us to enjoy.
ReplyDeleteIt makes me sad that facebook has all of these profiles, with pictures, videos, notes, and messages, and yet they still only see people as "subscribers" or "accounts". I'll bet that if it was one of facebook's higher-ups that lost their family member, they would do something in a heartbeat to fix the mistake of memorializing them. It's not fair that the people in charge of such precious information have no souls! =( It makes me sad for them.
ReplyDeletePlease give us Michaela back!!!
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Hi
I am looking for permission to use this in an issue of a Compassionate Freinds (east of the River, CT) newsletter.
Could you please send me an email?
Thank you
Bettie-Jeanne,
RobynApril's mom
I am a twice bereaved mom, & I don't know HOW you found the strength to fight this from the start! Hats off to you! I hope you can get it all back. Thanks so much for sharing this.
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I lost my 19 year old Daughter in September. And her fb page is one thing we have relied on to send our thoughts. I dare someone take her page down. I dont think I could emotionally handle that. She would have been 20 on Nov. 8,2010. I am just getting to where I am not in tears constantly. I visit her page on a daily basis so do my family friends and my othree other children.
ReplyDeleteI cant even erase our last conversations on our phones that ended about 4 hours before her death.
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